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When possible, I think it's better to by from a factory...

posted Apr 29, 2014 16:09:09 by MichaelWamback
... or at least a seller who has a very close working relationship with one.

I've been thinking about the issue a couple of our members are having with Jason. I'm willing to bet Jason is just a middle man, who goes around and buys guitars from various factories when he gets orders.

In the cases where the guitar arrives damaged, Jason himself is likely going to have to eat the cost. If he goes to the factory, they will tell him that the guitar was fine when he bought it from them, and they aren't responsible for what happens to it after it leaves their warehouse.

If you were dealing with a factory, you might have a much better chance of getting them to accept the return, as they would feel directly responsible for it.

The difficulty is knowing who has an actual factory, and who is just a reseller.

I know for sure that Rare Electric Guitar is a factory, mainly because they build guitars nobody else has and don't offer them for sale on AliExpress - only selling direct. Of course, you pay a premium for their guitars (often $200 more than other sellers.) But they do, in theory, have a bit better quality.

My guess is that the best sellers to buy from are those who can get custom work out the door quickly, and who can easily supply photos of the build in progress. But even then, there is no guarantee that they are factory direct.
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TomS. said Apr 29, 2014 18:04:17
"I'm willing to bet Jason is just a middle man"

After chatting with my seller, I am under the impression that that statement is true for most if not all the dealers on AliExpress. They are all just brokers for a few factories.

Bu tI do very much agree with you that is it best to have a broker with a close connection to the factory. One who will visit said factory and perhaps oversee production and who knows its capabilities etc.
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stanton.kramer said May 04, 2014 18:58:32
Michael..

Perhaps you should be more specific. Are you referring to REG, or something else? If you are then it would be great if we had a different category of sellers; "Factory Direct".

Perhaps you'd want to edit the list to include this subcategory. Thanks.

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MichaelWamback said May 04, 2014 19:30:30
REG is definitely a factory - having done business with them.

There are some sellers on here who also seem to be factory direct, or at least to have a close working relationship with them. The issues is figuring out who they are - and I'm not sure there is any easy way to know for sure.

I'm thinking Cathy is a factory. The reason (similar to REG) is that I've seen guitars she is offering standard on Ali that nobody else has. When you see photos of the same guitar featured on the store of different sellers, I'm thinking middle-man.

A good example is the Jimmy Page #2 LP. Cathy has one on her store with a more brown back that nobody else has. If you look at the other sellers, there are about 2 or 3 different models that they all have - meaning they aren't likely producing any of them themselves.

I know Jason has been speaking with CGS - and told him that his family owns a guitar factory in China.

But unfortunately, it's mostly speculation - so I don't really want to do a separate list as there is no true way to know for sure.
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GrandSpector said May 04, 2014 20:54:34
Kevin Shi is a factory as well, at least judging from his status messages on the chat app
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JamesZhejiang said May 05, 2014 00:03:41
Michael, cathy is not a factory. She and a few otherz on sellers list use the same factory
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ChibsonsandMore said May 05, 2014 05:27:05
I also have doubts that REG is actually a factory. A small group of people who work really closely with the factory? Yes, but not owning the actual plant itself.

Do we know anyone from REG other than "June" who responds to their emails?
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kaarel804 said May 05, 2014 12:50:46
Yes, I'm having a regular conversation with them at the moment and I have been answered by June, Cherry and Stephanie. I think that they are just communicators for the company there. I think that REG is a factory or otherwise they must be really really close to the factory, because they can do all kinds of crazy stuff for you if you need :)

BTW: just received the first pics of my double neck form them! Just two necks and a body, non attached yet, they said that it's going to painting :) Shouldn't they attach the necks first? LOL

Believe it or not, the body of my double neck seems to be ONE FR***ING PIECE!!! How's that possible? I don't think that even Gibson made one piece bodies for these beasts! :)
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MichaelWamback said May 05, 2014 15:05:55
REG is most definitely a factory, having dealt with them.

Your guitar is not going to be a one piece body. Mine is 3 or 4 pieces. But, the extra $200 you spent on REG means that they actually took the time to find 4 pieces of wood that very closely match in color and grain, so that when they put them together it almost looks like one piece. I have to look at mine very closely under really good light to tell that it is more than one piece.
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kaarel804 said May 05, 2014 16:43:19
I don't know, but it must be very well matched then :) Super happy about the body for now. Hope everything works out smoothly :)
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MichaelWamback said May 05, 2014 18:55:35
You'll dig it, I'm still in love with mine - and it's got plenty of compliments from other player who have taken it for a test drive.

Be prepared to do some fret work and a full rewire. You may as well order the switchcraft switches now. You need a DPDT (Switchcraft 12015x) and a regular Switchcraft right angle 3-way toggle switch. You will also have to enlarge the cavities for the switches to make room for them to fit - since the Switchcraft switches are huge in comparison to what they normally use in China. If I were to order another, I would ask them to make the cavity between the necks as large as possible (while still hiding the pickguard) and then the lower switch cavity the same dimensions. Otherwise, I hope you have a palm router (or someone who has access to one.)

Because the wiring on these isn't right (any China builder of EDS for that matter) the neck pickup on the 12-string neck won't be working when you get it, Nothing wrong with the pickup - and everything will work fine once you install the correct switches and wire them up properly.

You also will want to order tusq nuts for it. The PQ 1575-00 will have a 1.46 inch string spacing, which is perfect for this guitar. It will be too long and wide, but you can sand it to fit and shape it. The Gibson nut fit the 6-string neck fine, and just needed to be sanded a bit for perfect width. The guitar will ship with a 1.40 string spacing on the 12-string neck, which is just too close to be comfortable. The 1.46 spacing will still keep the strings well over the frets, but will make it super comfortable to play near the nut - without constantly muting strings accidentally. Unless you have really tiny fingers - which apparently everyone in China does. :)

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kaarel804 said May 05, 2014 19:04:23
Thanks for the advice, Michael! After you take a look at the body, would you be able to say where the joint(s) are? I'll open a separate topic for my double neck as soon as I get it which will hopefully be in June. Hoping to get the job done in August :)

Kaarel
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ChibsonsandMore said May 05, 2014 20:56:33
I see, at the most, thee pieces of wood there. Where they change color tones completely is a good indicator.
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