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Headstock Overlay Installation/MOP installation and refinish - any ideas?

posted Mar 30, 2014 11:35:41 by liryc.mil
Hey y'all!
Ordered my first Chibson LP Custom from The Dylan Shops which should be ariving this week - so I'm somewhat excited about that.

In any case - from the pictures the seller has sent me, I'm confident that the diamond logo is the wrong size (far too small - see attached image).
Places like Croxguitars sell NOS (new old stock) Gibson headstock overlays which as of lately I've been considering - my only concerns really are the installation process. Would I need to sand down the entire headstock, sand, clear, buff, etc? Or is it a simple matter such as gluing it on and clear coating it?

Another potential idea I've been looking at - is simply the cheap MOP inlays avaliable on eBay. Would it be possible to remove the old MOP inlays and replace them with the new via light sanding where the region of MOP is - without sanding down the entire headstock?

In case anyones interested - upgrades which will be done to the guitar (all of these have arrived, waiting on the guitar now) include:
+a new Tusq XL nut
+EMG 81/85 pickups
+an ABR1 bridge with conversion posts

Going to use this guitar as an on stage replacement for my real Nashville 1981 custom in the same colour once all upgrades have been done - hence trying to make it as identical as possible - not too keen on taking an actual Gibson on stage every single time!
Will also keep you guys updated and a full review once it arrives!
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liryc.mil said Mar 30, 2014 11:38:00

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vambostrausser said Mar 30, 2014 13:01:42
To fit these you will have to reduce the thickness of the headstock,otherwise you will need tuners with very long posts.Crox give you all the information on their site,it is not a five minute job.
THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT,THE GIRL IS MUCH TOO YOUNG TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE
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GsxJones said Mar 30, 2014 14:03:35
I bought a NOS custom overlay online,not from Crox,but from some german seller to fit to a 76 Greco 3 pup custom. The headstock sizes were a different size,so I had to cut the new "custom" overlay down to leave me with the diamond and Gibson inlay section. I seem to recall I taped the Greco's headstock,marked centrelines etc and then worked out where to chisel the unwanted original out.
I took a load of pics,but lost them with a PC virus thing!
I glued the new piece in making sure it was level with the outside edges of the original headstock, leaving a small gap around the inlay for filler. I asked a load of questions on a guitar website to try to find where I could get the correct black epoxy,but had no sensible replies. So I used car body filler. lol. Im a semi pro motorcycle painter. This did make the job more tricky for finishing,but still fun. If I had used black epoxy filler I could have just flattened it off to make smooth and then shot some clearcoat's on. The way I did it I had to try to match in black paint,and the headstocks are'nt black. They are infact a very very very dark grey that looks black. Until youtry painting them!
Its not an impossible job to do,BUT Id allow for a few days to do the job with waiting for paint to dry etc before final polishing etc. I'll see if I can load a pic or two up into Photobucket for here.
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GsxJones said Mar 30, 2014 14:11:19
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GsxJones said Mar 30, 2014 14:12:12
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GsxJones said Mar 30, 2014 14:17:03
Being a sad anorack,I noticed that the diamond was now sitting a little low down compared to an LP custom,but found the 1969 model was the same. So instead of being like a newer custom its more like a 69 now. If only....lol. The other beat up guitar is my 80 LP std,the greco is a nicer guitar to play with a slimmer neck. It also sound better. lol. My std has Seymour Duncan's in it. I think the Greco has Irongear pups?
I aged the MOP inlays with the tried and tested felt tip pen way before clearcoating.
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GsxJones said Mar 30, 2014 14:20:24
Ive used an overlay from Crox for a friends LP Studio. It was an unusual guitar as it had binding on the body,but the gold Gibson logo rather than MOP. It now looks like a genuine Std. I dont any pics at the moment.
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liryc.mil said Mar 30, 2014 18:53:24
Ah - thanks guys!

@FigsxJones - when you say you cut the NOS overlay to leave you with the "diamond and Gibson inlay section" - what exactly do you mean by that? Did you cut it into two pieces - specifically the diamond and the Gibson logo? Or did you still retain the headstock shape - except cut it to a size smaller than the white-lined-border-thing around the headstock?

Advice is much appreciated :)
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GsxJones said Mar 30, 2014 20:20:58
The NOS overlay was too big,so I trimmed the thing down to leave me the Gibson logo and diamond section. It wasnt very pretty! But it was just a single piece. I then used it as a template to mark things out,and carefully removed the excess area from the original. I could then drop the NOS section into place. I just used epoxy 2 part glue to stick it in,holding it with tape while drying. I think I may have clamped a piece of perspex over the face of the headstock while it dried? My minds a bit hazy on exactly what I did. LOL.
Ive copied a link from the Crox site,which shows the way I did it. Or at least the way somebody else did what I did! This isnt my guitar in the link!!
http://www.croxguitars.com/gotch.htm

Its a bit of work,but worth it. Id personally check sellers on the german version of ebay,as my headstock overlay was a LOT cheaper than Crox's. And exactly the same.NOS Gibson stock.
The Crox overlays for std's etc are much better value!
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GsxJones said Mar 30, 2014 20:24:13
I might buy a Crox Gibson inlay for my headstock on my Chibson (on order at the moment)to bring it up a notch. We'll see?
Good luck with whatever you decide to do. Let us all know what you decide?
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GsxJones said Mar 30, 2014 20:35:31
Doing the job's not rocket science,you just need to think it out and make sure,once started you can finish it! LOL. The Greco conversion was started last summer,but a set of new strings went on,and its not finished yet! I need to remove the tuner's,and then block sand (800 wet n dry paper up to 1200)to make things totally smooth. I may even need to add more cleacoat? Again,not rocket science,but time consuming. All good fun though!
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t3kn0h1ppy said Apr 01, 2014 10:34:42
I have used those in the past for a Standard - pretty straightforward as long as you prepare well. They look good from a distance and have the advantage of not being £70 a pop :)
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GsxJones said Apr 01, 2014 15:00:37
Im bidding at the moment on egay for a set of 5 overlays. If I win,I dont need five! Wink wink!
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GsxJones said Apr 02, 2014 19:00:26
LOL,I've been outbid,and Im not desperate to buy the 5 overlays,so I guess somebody else will get them.
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