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Craigslist Peter Frampton "don't worry, it's not a Chibson"

posted Mar 01, 2014 13:39:57 by txrxoxyxjx
Found this on local Craigslist. Of course I offered him $250 for it with a thorough explanation of what he actually had. His response was pretty much "I got took so I'm gonna have to take someone else". Not really a report so much, but just to show how things can get mis represented and a fool and his money can be easily separated. http://lawrence.craigslist.org/msg/4341416023.html
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SteveTebble said Mar 02, 2014 13:33:23
The serial number gives it away immediately! Plus the very poorly-executed 'diamond' on the headstock face.
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MichaelWamback said Mar 02, 2014 15:21:04
I don't buy his "all sales final" comment. The store sold him an illegal fake, meaning he has legal recourse against them. Their "no return" policy wouldn't hold up in this case.

This is a good lesson for you guys. Many stores think they can have a policy that makes something so - but the reality is that many of their policies are trumped by the law. In many cases, a store's policies aren't worth the paper they are written on. You always need to do a bit of homework to find out what your rights are.
The two most important things to remember in life: "The only time it's acceptable to work with amateurs is if you are making porn." "If you want to work with clowns, join a circus."
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txrxoxyxjx said Mar 02, 2014 19:06:31
Even with a Chibson checklist of telltale signs, this link: http://m.dhgate.com/product/custom-shop-peter-frampton-signature-black/143444259.html and a list of common upgrades needed to get it up to snuff if he decided to keep it, he still insisted this was at least an Epiphone and worth the 1000 he was asking. I flagged the ad. Even with him being straight up about it not being a legit Gibson, to sell it to someone as an Epiphone still puts his intentions in a questionable arena. I'd like just for fun to meet his group of "guitar experts" that had trouble figuring out it was a fake! And I'm pissed I couldn't snag it for $250 to be kept in my private stock and be forever kept out of the open market! (I'd have done the world a favor... Right)?
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MichaelWamback said Mar 03, 2014 00:16:36
I'm thinking Chibson rather than Epiphone. Clearly it's a Gibson shaped headstock and has Gibson written on it. Given that it has the headstock binding, an Epiphone headstock would be a serious pain in the ass to fake. You'd have to sand off the "Epiphone" name, apply the new Gibson name, recut the headstock and then redo all the binding. That's a lot of effort. If you consider what the Epiphone would cost to start with, then figure the time and energy to make the changes - why would you do that when you can easily get a Chibson with all that work already done for under $300 shipped?

My guess is that the reason he thinks it's an Epi (assuming he is in any way being honest, which may be a stretch) is that he removed the pickup and saw the "Epiphone" stamped on the back of them. We know a lot of Chibsons come with Epi pickups (likely 2nds) or it's conceivable that the pickups may have been swapped out for Epi pups.

But bottom line - the very fact that he says "I got taken, so of course I'm going to rip off someone else" pretty much tells you that he's a total dick.

Drop the dime, and give Gibson a call. Their lawyers are always looking for a way to increase their billable time. :)
The two most important things to remember in life: "The only time it's acceptable to work with amateurs is if you are making porn." "If you want to work with clowns, join a circus."
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